Month: August 2019

Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia

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Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia
Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia
Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia
Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia
Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia
Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia
Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia

Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia
My dear friend is in a financial crisis with his medical bills so unfortunately he must sell a few artifacts from his collection. If they sell good i will continue posting at his request. Please take a minute to look through the pictures and feel free to ask questions thank you! Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia. The item “Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia” is in sale since Thursday, July 25, 2019. This item is in the category “Collectibles\Cultures & Ethnicities\Native American\ US\Pre-1600\Artifacts”. The seller is “isstep_56″ and is located in Jackson, Ohio. This item can be shipped to United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Denmark, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Czech republic, Finland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Estonia, Australia, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Slovenia, Japan, Sweden, South Korea, Indonesia, South africa, Belgium, France, Hong Kong, Ireland, Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Italy, Germany, Austria, Bahamas, Mexico, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Norway, Saudi arabia, United arab emirates, Bahrain, Croatia, Malaysia, Chile, Colombia, Costa rica, Panama, Trinidad and tobago, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Cayman islands, Luxembourg, Uruguay, Russian federation, Dominican republic, El salvador.
Native American Double Effigy Pipe RARE found in Virginia

VINTAGE Navajo Thinderbird pin with Turquois Stone! Super RARE! 1930’S

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VINTAGE Navajo Thinderbird pin with Turquois Stone! Super RARE! 1930'S

VINTAGE Navajo Thinderbird pin with Turquois Stone! Super RARE! 1930'S
Amazing stamped silver Navajo Thunderbird pin! The item “VINTAGE Navajo Thinderbird pin with Turquois Stone! Super RARE! 1930’S” is in sale since Sunday, February 4, 2018. This item is in the category “Jewelry & Watches\Ethnic, Regional & Tribal\Native American\Pins, Brooches”. The seller is “pharoahexchange” and is located in New Orleans, Louisiana. This item can be shipped to United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Denmark, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Czech republic, Finland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Estonia, Australia, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Slovenia, Japan, China, Sweden, South Korea, Indonesia, Taiwan, Thailand, Belgium, France, Hong Kong, Ireland, Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Italy, Germany, Austria, Bahamas, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Norway, Saudi arabia, United arab emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Croatia, Malaysia, Chile, Colombia, Costa rica, Uruguay, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Macao, Russian federation, South africa.
  • Jewelry Type: Pins
  • Tribal Affiliation: Navajo

VINTAGE Navajo Thinderbird pin with Turquois Stone! Super RARE! 1930'S

RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set

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RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set
RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set
RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set
RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set
RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set
RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set
RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set
RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set
RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set
RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set
RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set

RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set
This is the only set available for sale online. Notice the Gem Quality red coral stones gemstones and the amazing design on this set. This elegant set can be worn for any occasion. This is a very rare find. The inside measurement of the bracelet from tip to tip is almost 5, the opening gap is roughly 1 1/4 wide, the ring is roughly a size 6.5 and the set weighs a heavy 105+ grams. I took plenty of pictures including measurements for you to see. Take this rare opportunity to own this Zuni treasure set. The item “RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set” is in sale since Tuesday, June 11, 2019. This item is in the category “Jewelry & Watches\Ethnic, Regional & Tribal\Native American\Sets”. The seller is “my2shadows45″ and is located in Dearborn, Michigan. This item can be shipped to United States.
  • Jewelry Type: Jewelry Sets
  • Main Stone: Red Coral
  • Tribal Affiliation: Zuni
  • Modified Item: No
  • Metal: Sterling Silver
  • Signed: Yes
  • Artisan: Jobeth Mayes Maize

RARE MUSUEM Zuni Jobeth Mayes Maize Sterling & Gem Red Coral Bracelet + Ring Set

Antique 3D Navajo Sterling Turquoise Kachina Bolo Tie Pendant Signed RARE HUGE

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Antique 3D Navajo Sterling Turquoise Kachina Bolo Tie Pendant Signed RARE HUGE
Antique 3D Navajo Sterling Turquoise Kachina Bolo Tie Pendant Signed RARE HUGE
Antique 3D Navajo Sterling Turquoise Kachina Bolo Tie Pendant Signed RARE HUGE
Antique 3D Navajo Sterling Turquoise Kachina Bolo Tie Pendant Signed RARE HUGE
Antique 3D Navajo Sterling Turquoise Kachina Bolo Tie Pendant Signed RARE HUGE
Antique 3D Navajo Sterling Turquoise Kachina Bolo Tie Pendant Signed RARE HUGE
Antique 3D Navajo Sterling Turquoise Kachina Bolo Tie Pendant Signed RARE HUGE

Antique 3D Navajo Sterling Turquoise Kachina Bolo Tie Pendant Signed RARE HUGE
Huge 3D Old Pawn Navajo kachina roll bolo tie pendant signed. The mark appears to be either TW or TWD (see photo), I was unable to locate info on the mark. This is a beautiful collectors piece featuring 11 gorgeous turquoise stones, 3 large mother of pearl stones (including one on the top of the head and one long stone on each wing), 2 coral and 14 onyx stones. The nose appears to be made out of faux claw. It can be worn as either a bolo tie or necklace pendant, there are jump rings attached to the end of each wing. Pictures do not do it justice! Weight: 241.8 grams. Measurements: 7 1/4 tall, wings span is also 7 1/4 wide, 1.2 deep. Mark: TW on back (see photo). Condition: Excellent, all stones are in great condition and secured firmly in place, light surface wear on back, has a nice patina throughout. This item will be well packed, tracked and insured. The item “Antique 3D Navajo Sterling Turquoise Kachina Bolo Tie Pendant Signed RARE HUGE” is in sale since Thursday, February 28, 2019. This item is in the category “Jewelry & Watches\Ethnic, Regional & Tribal\Native American\Necklaces & Pendants”. The seller is “vintagevibe” and is located in Fort Worth, Texas. This item can be shipped to United States.
  • Jewelry Type: Bolo Ties
  • Main Stone: Turquoise
  • Metal: Sterling Silver
  • Color: Blue

Antique 3D Navajo Sterling Turquoise Kachina Bolo Tie Pendant Signed RARE HUGE

NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver

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NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver
NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver
NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver
NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver
NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver
NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver
NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver
NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver
NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver
NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver

NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver
Navajo ring sterling silver band and setting with RARE large brown matrix Kingman turquoise stone. Marquise shaped, elegant and beautiful Southwestern style collectible jewelry. This piece was hand made by Navajo artist and signed on back “SS”. An excellent example of traditional tribal art work, with intricate details. This is a lovely piece of collectible quality Native American jewelry, workmanship that was passed down for centuries within the tribe. Heirloom piece that will complement any collection! WEIGHT = 34 grams. Ring size: 12.5 SS-1 JB-1 POSH. The item “NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver” is in sale since Friday, July 26, 2019. This item is in the category “Jewelry & Watches\Ethnic, Regional & Tribal\Native American\Rings”. The seller is “tee-warehouse” and is located in Walnut, California. This item can be shipped worldwide.
  • Country of Origin: United States
  • Modified Item: No
  • Country/Region of Manufacture: United States
  • Material: Stone
  • Featured Refinements: Navajo Ring
  • Gender: Female
  • Metal Purity: Sterling Silver
  • Artisan: SS
  • Main Stone: Turquoise
  • Sizable: No
  • Metal: Sterling Silver
  • Brand: Unbranded
  • Jewelry Type: Rings
  • Tribal Affiliation: Navajo
  • Ring Size: 12.5

NAVAJO Ring RARE Large Brown Matrix Kingman Turquoise Stone Signed Silver

Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare

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Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare
Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare
Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare
Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare
Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare
Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare
Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare
Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare
Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare
Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare
Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare

Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare
B eautiful Sea Green Turquoise Rondel beads interconnected with multicolored Spiny oyster beads with Sterling Silver Oxidized beads gives it a gem quality value. Bead size 5- 16 mm. View more great items. Please let us know the problem before posting a bad feedback. The item “Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare” is in sale since Monday, March 26, 2018. This item is in the category “Jewelry & Watches\Ethnic, Regional & Tribal\Native American\Necklaces & Pendants”. The seller is “mashasilver” and is located in Albuquerque, New Mexico. This item can be shipped to United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Denmark, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Czech republic, Finland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Estonia, Australia, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Slovenia, Japan, China, Sweden, South Korea, Indonesia, Taiwan, South africa, Thailand, Belgium, France, Hong Kong, Ireland, Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Italy, Germany, Austria, Bahamas, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Switzerland, Norway, Saudi arabia, United arab emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Croatia, Malaysia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa rica, Ecuador, Iceland, Macao, Martinique, Reunion, Viet nam, Uruguay, Russian federation.
  • Jewelry Type: Necklaces
  • Metal: Sterling Silver
  • Main Stone: Turquoise
  • Country/Region of Manufacture: United States
  • Tribal Affiliation: Navajo
  • Metal Purity: 925
  • Country of Origin: USA
  • Material: Stone
  • Signed?: Signed
  • Ethnic Origin: Native American

Native American Navajo Green Turquoise Sterling Silver Spiny Necklace 27Rare

Rare Vintage Navajo Spiderweb Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old

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Rare Vintage Navajo Spiderweb Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Rare Vintage Navajo Spiderweb Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Rare Vintage Navajo Spiderweb Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Rare Vintage Navajo Spiderweb Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Rare Vintage Navajo Spiderweb Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Rare Vintage Navajo Spiderweb Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Rare Vintage Navajo Spiderweb Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old

Rare Vintage Navajo Spiderweb Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Vintage and Museum Quality Specialists. Vintage and Museum Quality. This is a fascinating vintage Navajo turquoise row silver bracelet. This thin bracelet is definitely not flimsy as it is incredibly heavy and thick. Resting on the thick cuff are 6 stunning turquoise stones that appear to be from the old Crow Springs turquoise mine. Located throughout the stones are wonderful silver raindrops with accenting silver channel patterns. The center stone measures around 3/8″ x 3/16″. The width of the bracelet measures around 1/4. Signed by Navajo artist, Scott Skeets. The inside end to end measures around 5″ with an additional 1-1/4″ gap. Make Us an Offer! All Other Museum Items. If the item breaks we will repair it for FREE. We are flexible and are happy to work with you! All international orders will cost only 12.00. We also will work with international buyers to help them not pay as much going through the process. Do you own a store? Nativo Arts wants to work with you! We are the #1 supplier to stores who want to sell the best and finest Native American jewelry. Make us offers today by clicking the blue make offer button at the top of the page! Nativo Arts was established to offer the largest selection of the best quality vintage Native American jewelry in the world, for the best prices. It has taken decades to acquire the collection that we offer to the world today. From A-list celebrities to average Joe’s, we work with everyone from all walks of life. Nativo Arts has supplied a vast number of movies with the best quality Native American jewelry. It is important to respect Native American culture and to realize how much difficulty and hard work an artist puts into a piece. We thank you for your interest and we are happy to work with you! “The Largest and BEST Collection of Museum Quality Vintage Native American Jewelry in the World”. The item “RARE VINTAGE NAVAJO SPIDERWEB TURQUOISE STERLING SILVER BRACELET OLD” is in sale since Wednesday, July 24, 2019. This item is in the category “Jewelry & Watches\Ethnic, Regional & Tribal\Native American\Bracelets”. The seller is “nativo-arts” and is located in Fountain Hills, Arizona. This item can be shipped worldwide.
  • Style: Cuff
  • Country of Origin: United States
  • Material: Turquoise
  • Metal: Sterling Silver
  • Country/Region of Manufacture: United States
  • Jewelry Type: Bracelet
  • Tribal Affiliation: Navajo
  • Signed?: Signed
  • Size: Read Description
  • Metal Purity: .925
  • Artisan: Scott Skeets
  • Main Stone: Turquoise

Rare Vintage Navajo Spiderweb Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old

Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings

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Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings
Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings
Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings
Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings
Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings
Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings
Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings
Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings

Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings
ELSIE YAZZIE, the Matriarch of the the YAZZIE Family that was recently the subject of “GLITTERING WORLD”, an amazing exhibit in NYC at The National Museum of the American Indian, part of the Smithsonian. The family are members of the NAVAJO Tribe. It ran from 11/13/14 through 01/10/16. This Early handmade necklace and earrings are wonderful examples of the early workmanship that ELSIE handed down to her extraordinarily talented family. This outstanding necklace and earrings feature hand stamped barrel beads along with handmade fluted beads. The beads are strung on silver rope so that at the bottom center of the necklace there are 2 fluted beads together so that the wearer might add a pendant. The earrings are pierced. All are in exquisite condition. The necklace measures 24.5 long. It weighs 88 grams. The earrings 1 & 5/8 long. By 5/16 wide and weigh 8 grams. The necklace is marked EY and Sterling on the top barrel beads on either side of the necklace. These extraordinary necklace and earrings will be a valuable and historic addition to anyone’s collection. I will be adding more incredible pieces, s please take a look. This comes from an entirely smoke free environment. I will gift wrap if requested. The item “Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings” is in sale since Monday, December 7, 2015. This item is in the category “Jewelry & Watches\Ethnic, Regional & Tribal\Native American\Necklaces & Pendants”. The seller is “778sandra” and is located in Sarasota, Florida. This item can be shipped worldwide.
  • Jewelry Type: NECKLACE and EARRINGS
  • Metal: Sterling Silver
  • Metal Purity: .925, Sterling
  • Country of Origin: USA
  • Tribal Affiliation: Navajo
  • Brand: AUTHENTIC VINTAGE NATIVE AMERICAN JEWELRY
  • Signed?: Signed
  • Artisan: Elsie Yazzie
  • Country of Manufacture: United States

Rare Signed Vintage Native American ELSIE YAZZIE Navajo Necklace And Earrings

Rare! Vintage Navajo Royston Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old

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Rare! Vintage Navajo Royston Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Rare! Vintage Navajo Royston Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Rare! Vintage Navajo Royston Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Rare! Vintage Navajo Royston Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Rare! Vintage Navajo Royston Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Rare! Vintage Navajo Royston Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old

Rare! Vintage Navajo Royston Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old
Vintage and Museum Quality Specialists. Vintage and Museum Quality. This is a breathtaking vintage Navajo three stone silver bracelet. This very rare bracelet contains three old Royston turquoise stones. Surrounding each stone are impeccable silver twisted ropes. The bracelet includes a wonderful triple silver shank cuff with the center shank being twisted. The center stone measures around 1″ x 3/4″. The width of the bracelet measures around 1. The inside end to end measures around 5″ with an additional 1-1/2″ gap. Make Us an Offer! All Other Museum Items. If the item breaks we will repair it for FREE. We are flexible and are happy to work with you! All international orders will cost only 12.00. We also will work with international buyers to help them not pay as much going through the process. Do you own a store? Nativo Arts wants to work with you! We are the #1 supplier to stores who want to sell the best and finest Native American jewelry. Make us offers today by clicking the blue make offer button at the top of the page! Nativo Arts was established to offer the largest selection of the best quality vintage Native American jewelry in the world, for the best prices. It has taken decades to acquire the collection that we offer to the world today. From A-list celebrities to average Joe’s, we work with everyone from all walks of life. Nativo Arts has supplied a vast number of movies with the best quality Native American jewelry. It is important to respect Native American culture and to realize how much difficulty and hard work an artist puts into a piece. We thank you for your interest and we are happy to work with you! “The Largest and BEST Collection of Museum Quality Vintage Native American Jewelry in the World”. The item “RARE! VINTAGE NAVAJO ROYSTON TURQUOISE STERLING SILVER BRACELET OLD” is in sale since Sunday, August 26, 2018. This item is in the category “Jewelry & Watches\Ethnic, Regional & Tribal\Native American\Bracelets”. The seller is “nativo-arts” and is located in Fountain Hills, Arizona. This item can be shipped worldwide.
  • Brand: Nativo Arts
  • Country of Origin: United States
  • Country/Region of Manufacture: United States
  • Jewelry Type: Bracelet
  • Main Stone: Turquoise
  • Material: Turquoise
  • Metal: Sterling Silver
  • Metal Purity: .925
  • Signed?: Unsigned
  • Tribal Affiliation: Navajo
  • Featured Refinements: Vintage Navajo Jewelry

Rare! Vintage Navajo Royston Turquoise Sterling Silver Bracelet Old